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I have not lost any weight (not even .2lbs) since the day that I started my period. That was almost two weeks ago! Last month, I lost all the AF water weight by the 10th day after my period. So, is this a plateau? It seems a bit too early to stall out already.

 

It started really bugging me a few days ago, so I started journaling. I've gone back (in retrospect - I'm not doing "Flore" :bcb_yuck:) and counted the calories and Flex points involved so I could get some input from y'all about what might be going wrong. IF I were doing Flex (I'm not), I'd get 22 pts + 35WPA. Thoughts? And please don't chide me for calculating points. As I said, it was done after the fact, and it was really just a way to quantify intake so you guys could make suggestions about where I should change things up. I have continued eating to satisfaction and paying no attention to points, but I thought the info might be helpful in this kind of troubleshooting situation.

 

October 22

Breakfast:

¾ cup dry quick oats (225 cal) – 3 pts

1 cup unsweetened applesauce (106 cal) – 1.5 pts

½ cup ff milk (40 cal) – 1 pt

1 Tbsp. Sugar (45 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 416 cal – 1 Core WPA – 6.5 Flex pts

 

Snack:

1 Apple (80 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 80 cal – 0 Core WPA – 1 Flex pt

Running Total: 496 cal – 1 Core WPA – 7.5 Flex pts

 

Lunch:

Soup (200 cal, 1 pt) – 3.5 pts

1 Apple (80 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 280 cal – 1 Core WPA – 4.5 Flex pts

Running total: 776 cal – 2 Core pts – 12 Flex pts

 

Snack:

2 Apples (160 cal) – 2 pt

Total: 160 cal – 0 Core pts – 2 Flex pts

Running Total: 936 cal – 2 Core pts – 14 Flex pts

 

Dinner:

1 cup cooked brown rice (218 cal) – 3 pts

1 cup cooked whole wheat pasta (174 cal) – 2.5 pts

Homemade core spaghetti sauce (1/2 cup crushed tomatoes, 1 tsp dry spag sauce mix, 1/8 cup ff mozz – about 50 calories) – 1 pt

2 tsp. Olive Oil (80 cal) – 2 pts

2 Niblet Ears Corn (124 cal) – 2 pts

Total: 646 cal – 0 Core pts – 10.5 Flex Points

Running Total: 1502 cal – 2 Core pts – 22.5 Flex Points

 

Snack:

Cashews (150 cal, 3 pt) – 3 pts

Running Total: 1650 cal – 5 Core pts – 25.5 Flex Points

 

October 23

Breakfast:

½ cup dry quick oats (150 cal) – 2 pts

½ cup unsweetened applesauce (53 cal) – 1 pt

½ cup ff milk (40 cal) – 1 pt

1 tsp. Sugar (15 cal, 0 pt) – 0 pt

Total: 258 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 4 Flex pts

 

Lunch:

Soup (200 cal, 1 pt) – 3.5 pts

Total: 200 cal – 1 Core WPAs – 3.5 Flex pts

Running Total: 458 cal – 1 Core WPA – 7.5 Flex pts

 

Snack:

94% ff popcorn (100 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 100 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 1 Flex pts

Running Total: 558 cal – 1 Core WPA – 8.5 Flex pts

 

Snack:

1 WW Giant Fudge bar (110 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 110 cal – 1 Core WPAs – 1 Flex pts

Running Total: 668 cal – 2 Core WPAs – 9.5 Flex pts

 

Dinner:

½ cup Brown Rice (109 cal) – 2 pts

2 tsp. Canola Oil (80 cal) – 2 pts

1.5 tsp flour (20 cal, 0 pts) – 0 pts

6 oz. chicken breast (180 cal) – 4 pts

Stir-fry Veggies, 2.5 cups (100 cal) – 1 pt

1 WW Giant Fudge bar (110 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 599 cal – 1 Core WPAs – 10 Flex Points

Running Total: 1157 cal – 3 Core WPAs – 19.5 Flex pts

 

Snack (11 pm):

2 cups ffsf chocolate pudding (280 cal) – 6 pts

Total: 280 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 6 Flex pts

Running Total: 1437 cal – 3 Core WPAs – 25.5 Flex pts

 

October 24 (today)

Breakfast:

Coffee

1 tsp. sugar and 1 Tbsp. creamer (50 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 50 cal – 1 Core WPA – 1 Flex pt

 

Snack:

1 Medium Banana (100 cal) – 2 pts

Total: 100 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 2 Flex pts

Running Total: 150 cal – 1 Core WPA – 3 Flex pts

 

Lunch:

1 tsp. Canola Oil (40 cal) – 1 pt

1 tsp flour (10 cal, 0 pts) – 0 pts

3 oz. chicken breast (180 cal) – 4 pts

Stir-fry Veggies, 1.5 cups (50 cal) – 0 pt

Total: 280 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 5 Flex pts

Running Total: 430 cal – 1 Core WPA – 8 Flex pts

 

Snack:

94% FF Popcorn (100 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 100 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 1 Flex pt

Running Total: 530 cal – 1 Core WPA – 9 Flex pts

 

Do you guys have any ideas on how I could get the scale moving again? I thought I was doing a pretty good job of eating to satisfaction...but now I am starting to wonder. My intake seems to be falling into the range you'd expect on Flex, but the scale won't budge. Core was working, but it is pretty discouraging not to lose any weight in two whole weeks, especially since I still have so much to lose.

 

 

I could definitely be overreacting, but the main reason I'm posting is that I am having trouble staying motivated. I feel like I am doing all this hard work for nothing. I want to do anything I can to kick this mini-plateau to the curb. :bcb_mad: Or at least change my attitude so I don't have the urge to kick the program to the curb.


Started Core 8/19/08

10% - 11/08/08

Restart 1/1/10 at 177.6

 

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1 Cor. 6:12-20:

All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by ANYTHING! I am bought with a price, and I will start acting like it.

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If you were doing flex I would put your target at 25. If you were to be eating enough I would add 5 WPA and whatever AP's you earn. That would be 30 to 32 points a day.

It could be that you are not getting enough calories. Sounds strange but it is a common reason for a plateau.

 

Add in a 1/4 cup of unsalted almonds everyday. That would add 4 points. Do that for two weeks and see what happens to your weigh in.

 

How much exercise are you getting? I would add in the AP's too.

CW


AS LONG AS I DON'T QUIT, I CANNOT FAIL

 

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What's your weight loss pattern? I really only lose weight 1-2 weeks a month so not having a loss for two weeks in a row might be "natural". They don't diagnose a plateau at WW until you've hit 3 months at the same weight as our weights will stabilize and rise and drop as the body dictates.

 

I'm not sure what exercise you do but you could *increase* your intensity and duration to shock the system.

 

You could also make sure to shake things up with your food-- eat different food and different quantities so your body doesn't get used to the same amount of calories and the same food every day.

 

If you were doing Flex, I'd agree with CW that it's important to eat all your APs and WPAs. When you're talking Core, it's a bit harder to gauge. I tend to not lose as much weight with Core because I eat *more* than I do with Flex but each person's experiences are different!


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I am 4'9" tall, female, 24, and sedentary. If I did the quiz in the book right, that would give me 22 for my Daily Points Target.

 

What you're saying is that instead of decreasing my calorie intake, you'd increase it and see what happens. Honestly, as a Corbie, I feel really satisfied with the amount I'm eating, and I am scared to add more calories beyond the point of satisfaction. I feel like I will gain weight if I do that, but hey...you're way more experienced at this kind of stuff than I am.

 

If I am still stalled in another week, I think I am going to try what you suggested. It might not be unsalted almonds necessarily, but maybe some other kind of reduced-sodium nut. Unsalted almonds are a sore spot for me because I craved them during my pregnancy last year. I miscarried, and now I can't eat them anymore. I know that sounds a little crazy, but hey, that's who I am. I will try to find something along those lines though, if I am still stuck by next Friday.

 

As for APs, ha. I have seasonal affective disorder (SAD), I am helping my husband prepare for a big credentialing exam, and I am working lots of overtime because my co-worker is on maternity leave. I am exhausted. There is barely time to cook, much less get significant exercise. I don't think I should count grocery store walking and house cleaning as APs, know what I mean? It probably makes me a bad WWer, but I am doing the best I can to hold the food side together right now. :bcb_huh:


Started Core 8/19/08

10% - 11/08/08

Restart 1/1/10 at 177.6

 

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ttc.png

 

1 Cor. 6:12-20:

All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by ANYTHING! I am bought with a price, and I will start acting like it.

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I am 4'9" tall, female, 24, and sedentary. If I did the quiz in the book right, that would give me 22 for my Daily Points Target.

 

What you're saying is that instead of decreasing my calorie intake, you'd increase it and see what happens. Honestly, as a Corbie, I feel really satisfied with the amount I'm eating, and I am scared to add more calories beyond the point of satisfaction. I feel like I will gain weight if I do that, but hey...you're way more experienced at this kind of stuff than I am.

 

If I am still stalled in another week, I think I am going to try what you suggested. It might not be unsalted almonds necessarily, but maybe some other kind of reduced-sodium nut. Unsalted almonds are a sore spot for me because I craved them during my pregnancy last year. I miscarried, and now I can't eat them anymore. I know that sounds a little crazy, but hey, that's who I am. I will try to find something along those lines though, if I am still stuck by next Friday.

 

As for APs, ha. I have seasonal affective disorder (SAD), I am helping my husband prepare for a big credentialing exam, and I am working lots of overtime because my co-worker is on maternity leave. I am exhausted. There is barely time to cook, much less get significant exercise. I don't think I should count grocery store walking and house cleaning as APs, know what I mean? It probably makes me a bad WWer, but I am doing the best I can to hold the food side together right now. :bcb_huh:

 

Loribelle,

 

I also have SAD. Do you use a light box? I actually find that I do better if I get outside for at least 30 min. no matter what the weather is (even rainy and cloudy days) than I do with a light box. If I don't take care of my SAD I actually get hungrier and consequently gain or do not lose.


Judy S.

Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after another. ~Walter Elliott

 

SW: 253.4/CW: 160/WWGW: 148/PGW: ?

 

The President's Exercise Challenge:

 

Going for the Bronze-achieved 7/4/2009

20,000 pts.-100%

 

 

Going for the Silver-21220 of 45,000 pts.-47%

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I have not lost any weight (not even .2lbs) since the day that I started my period. That was almost two weeks ago! Last month, I lost all the AF water weight by the 10th day after my period. So, is this a plateau? It seems a bit too early to stall out already.

 

It started really bugging me a few days ago, so I started journaling. I've gone back (in retrospect - I'm not doing "Flore" :bcb_yuck:) and counted the calories and Flex points involved so I could get some input from y'all about what might be going wrong. IF I were doing Flex (I'm not), I'd get 22 pts + 35WPA. Thoughts? And please don't chide me for calculating points. As I said, it was done after the fact, and it was really just a way to quantify intake so you guys could make suggestions about where I should change things up. I have continued eating to satisfaction and paying no attention to points, but I thought the info might be helpful in this kind of troubleshooting situation.

 

October 22

Breakfast:

¾ cup dry quick oats (225 cal) – 3 pts

1 cup unsweetened applesauce (106 cal) – 1.5 pts

½ cup ff milk (40 cal) – 1 pt

1 Tbsp. Sugar (45 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 416 cal – 1 Core WPA – 6.5 Flex pts

 

Snack:

1 Apple (80 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 80 cal – 0 Core WPA – 1 Flex pt

Running Total: 496 cal – 1 Core WPA – 7.5 Flex pts

 

Lunch:

Soup (200 cal, 1 pt) – 3.5 pts

1 Apple (80 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 280 cal – 1 Core WPA – 4.5 Flex pts

Running total: 776 cal – 2 Core pts – 12 Flex pts

 

Snack:

2 Apples (160 cal) – 2 pt

Total: 160 cal – 0 Core pts – 2 Flex pts

Running Total: 936 cal – 2 Core pts – 14 Flex pts

 

Dinner:

1 cup cooked brown rice (218 cal) – 3 pts

1 cup cooked whole wheat pasta (174 cal) – 2.5 pts

Homemade core spaghetti sauce (1/2 cup crushed tomatoes, 1 tsp dry spag sauce mix, 1/8 cup ff mozz – about 50 calories) – 1 pt

2 tsp. Olive Oil (80 cal) – 2 pts

2 Niblet Ears Corn (124 cal) – 2 pts

Total: 646 cal – 0 Core pts – 10.5 Flex Points

Running Total: 1502 cal – 2 Core pts – 22.5 Flex Points

 

Snack:

Cashews (150 cal, 3 pt) – 3 pts

Running Total: 1650 cal – 5 Core pts – 25.5 Flex Points

 

October 23

Breakfast:

½ cup dry quick oats (150 cal) – 2 pts

½ cup unsweetened applesauce (53 cal) – 1 pt

½ cup ff milk (40 cal) – 1 pt

1 tsp. Sugar (15 cal, 0 pt) – 0 pt

Total: 258 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 4 Flex pts

 

Lunch:

Soup (200 cal, 1 pt) – 3.5 pts

Total: 200 cal – 1 Core WPAs – 3.5 Flex pts

Running Total: 458 cal – 1 Core WPA – 7.5 Flex pts

 

Snack:

94% ff popcorn (100 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 100 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 1 Flex pts

Running Total: 558 cal – 1 Core WPA – 8.5 Flex pts

 

Snack:

1 WW Giant Fudge bar (110 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 110 cal – 1 Core WPAs – 1 Flex pts

Running Total: 668 cal – 2 Core WPAs – 9.5 Flex pts

 

Dinner:

½ cup Brown Rice (109 cal) – 2 pts

2 tsp. Canola Oil (80 cal) – 2 pts

1.5 tsp flour (20 cal, 0 pts) – 0 pts

6 oz. chicken breast (180 cal) – 4 pts

Stir-fry Veggies, 2.5 cups (100 cal) – 1 pt

1 WW Giant Fudge bar (110 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 599 cal – 1 Core WPAs – 10 Flex Points

Running Total: 1157 cal – 3 Core WPAs – 19.5 Flex pts

 

Snack (11 pm):

2 cups ffsf chocolate pudding (280 cal) – 6 pts

Total: 280 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 6 Flex pts

Running Total: 1437 cal – 3 Core WPAs – 25.5 Flex pts

 

October 24 (today)

Breakfast:

Coffee

1 tsp. sugar and 1 Tbsp. creamer (50 cal, 1 pt) – 1 pt

Total: 50 cal – 1 Core WPA – 1 Flex pt

 

Snack:

1 Medium Banana (100 cal) – 2 pts

Total: 100 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 2 Flex pts

Running Total: 150 cal – 1 Core WPA – 3 Flex pts

 

Lunch:

1 tsp. Canola Oil (40 cal) – 1 pt

1 tsp flour (10 cal, 0 pts) – 0 pts

3 oz. chicken breast (180 cal) – 4 pts

Stir-fry Veggies, 1.5 cups (50 cal) – 0 pt

Total: 280 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 5 Flex pts

Running Total: 430 cal – 1 Core WPA – 8 Flex pts

 

Snack:

94% FF Popcorn (100 cal) – 1 pt

Total: 100 cal – 0 Core WPAs – 1 Flex pt

Running Total: 530 cal – 1 Core WPA – 9 Flex pts

 

 

Do you guys have any ideas on how I could get the scale moving again? I thought I was doing a pretty good job of eating to satisfaction...but now I am starting to wonder. My intake seems to be falling into the range you'd expect on Flex, but the scale won't budge. Core was working, but it is pretty discouraging not to lose any weight in two whole weeks, especially since I still have so much to lose.

 

 

I could definitely be overreacting, but the main reason I'm posting is that I am having trouble staying motivated. I feel like I am doing all this hard work for nothing. I want to do anything I can to kick this mini-plateau to the curb. :bcb_mad: Or at least change my attitude so I don't have the urge to kick the program to the curb.

 

What makes you say you are having trouble staying motivated? Has that translated into any specific behaviors? Are you doing this for life or for a quick weight loss?

 

Two weeks doesn't come anywhere close to making a plateau.

 

I actually thought that looked like quite a bit of food, especially the dinner that included a cup of rice AND a cup of pasta (which of course you'd have to count points for--one of them) and two ears of corn, etc. A lot of relatively energy dense foods and foods that make me retain fluid. 2 cups of sf/ff pudding at 11 pm also seems like a rather huge snack to me and one filled with sodium (more fluid retention).

 

Your words about not "chiding" you for counting points and concerns that you might be a "bad" ww'er for not exercising also concern me. We aren't here to judge you, but it sounds like maybe you judge yourself a little too much! I think that being really ANXIOUS about your weight loss might stall it!!! No matter how busy, I would try to "move more", not moving doesn't make you a bad person but moving more might help the scale move.

 

Are you noticing other positive changes? Are you getting smaller? Are you feeling better? Do you have more energy? Do you have fewer cravings? Are you making better food choices and enjoying them?? Most importantly, are you doing core in a way that you enjoy it and WANT to do it for the rest of your life? That would take care of the motivation problem and some of the concern about the scale not moving for two weeks!

 

Success is measured in many ways.

 

I don't see any clear reason for you two weeks of no losses...do you weigh yourself daily? (Not that I am necessarily recommending it)...but if you do, does your weight fluctuate? Mine does!! It could just be what you are eating/drinking the day before weigh ins...

 

 

Change something...make sure you are getting the 8 GHGs--I don't see any milk yet today for example..maybe try some other grains!

 

Hang in there. This is for life!!


Lynn

 

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I have not lost any weight (not even .2lbs) since the day that I started my period. That was almost two weeks ago! Last month, I lost all the AF water weight by the 10th day after my period. So, is this a plateau? It seems a bit too early to stall out already.

 

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Let me make sure I understand.

 

Last month the same thing happened, but you lost all the water weight by the 10th day after your period. Today is almost 2 wks (so the 13th day?) after your period.

 

So you are about 3 days late?

 

Have you heard that it took me 9 years to loose all 155 lbs?

 

Not that I think it will take you 9yrs. Or should it!

 

All I am saying is... Slow down and trust the process.

 

Another thing...if you are as busy as you say....put on a pedometer! 10,000 steps to maintain weight, 15,000 to loose. How many steps are you getting?


Donna

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"Nuts are in hard shells for reasons." Dr John McDougall

"The salad IS the main course." Dr Joel Fuhrman

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We can't fix 4'9" but we can fix Sedentary.

Exercise is going to be a wonderful tool for you to burn and earn points.

You are gonna love learning to move.

One of the things you discover is that you sleep better and do not need as much sack time. So the time you use exercising will come ack to you.

Bob Greene had a great line.

"If you don't exercise, you will have to eat perfectly."

CW


AS LONG AS I DON'T QUIT, I CANNOT FAIL

 

B4 & After: http://www.healthdiscovery.net/forums/showthread.php?t=202124

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eat more lean protein.

Your protein level looks low to me.:salut


SW 233

CW 168

GW 155

Gluten, Dairy, Nuts, Soy, Grain intolerant, nightshade allergie too

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I tried to reply to this thread Saturday, and it was longish, but then the forum ate my post. I was a little demoralized, so I gave up. I'll try to hit the highlights of what was in my reply. It probably sounds short and/or irritated, but it's not AT ALL...I'm just trying to explain everything I wrote in that long, long post, without recreating its artistic mastery (LOL).

 

On SAD/exercise issues: Yes, I am depressed. Yes, it makes me very, very tired. Yes, I have a light box. No, I am not using it like I should, because I'm too exhausted to get up early in the morning. Yes, I am spending time outside (after I get home from work, when it's almost dark...I know, not ideal, but work demands many things of me). Yes, I probably should exercise in order to see better losses. No, I cannot find the energy to exercise right this minute. I am sleeping a full, undisturbed 9 hours a night, but still waking exhausted. So no, it's not diminished quality of sleep. It is seasonal affective disorder. I could sleep literally 16-18 hours a day right now if I let myself. That said, I'm going to try to make an effort to move more, but it's hard enough to force myself to do the little stuff, like fix dinner or get up and go to work. Or post on BCB (though that requires less energy).

 

Donna: It's not that I'm taking too long to lose the TOM weight. It's that I'm actually still UP 2 lbs since I started AF. I have gained two pounds in the last two weeks. And today is cycle day 17, so it's been over two weeks now. Also, my busy-ness is unfortunately more of the sedentary variety than the moving-a-lot variety. Still, a pedometer is not a bad idea. Do you know where I can get one cheap?

 

Lynn - The lack of motivation isn't translating into specific behaviors (yet). I am still doing the things I need to do (prepping fruit and veggies, cooking dinner, etc.), but feeling a lot less happy about doing it. Part of how I feel this time of year is that I feel like a failure at everything. Rationally, I know this is just the SAD talking, but emotionally, it is a much harder battle. It's so weird how long the distance can be between head knowledge and heart knowledge, but as my therapist likes to say, emotions aren't supposed to be rational (the heart has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing). I'm working through it, but it's really slogging through instead of happily tripping along.

 

The night I had pudding, I was up until 2AM with my sister working on her school work and the pudding was the only Core thing prepared in the house. I figured it was better than Cheetos, and would contribute a milk serving or two. I'm not a middle-of-the-night binger...just a middle-of-the-night eater if I happen to be up in the middle of the night and hungry. :bcb_grin As for the rice/pasta/corn meal, yeah, well, no excuse. I will point out though that I was hungry and I did stop when satisfied.

 

Do you (any/all of you) think I should make an effort to be more careful choosing between foods even on the Core list? I have been looking at food in a sort of binary Core/not Core way...but maybe there's some value in distinctions. An apple, for instance, would generally be a better choice than pudding...regardless of how hungry I am. I don't think I was ever explicitly told to make any distinctions, as long as I was meeting my 8 GHGs (which I am)...but it makes a certain kind of sense to say, "Well, you know, I could have roasted chickpeas, but I think something lighter like popcorn might be equally satisfying, so I'll choose that instead." What do y'all think? It almost feels "diety" (which I really chose Core to get away from), but if it's what I need to do to make this work, of course I will.

 

uniquelymade (lovely name, btw): My protein intake is technically within the guidelines. However, you're probably right. I'd have a better chance of losing if I exchanged some of my carbs for extra protein. It's totally counterintuitive to how I want to eat this time of year (SAD causes carbohydrate craving), but maybe that's a good thing (since SAD can also cause weight gain). Maybe the two are related?


Started Core 8/19/08

10% - 11/08/08

Restart 1/1/10 at 177.6

 

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1 Cor. 6:12-20:

All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by ANYTHING! I am bought with a price, and I will start acting like it.

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LoriBelle,

 

I am sorry you are having so much trouble with your SAD. I have read that most people with SAD also benefit from an antidepressant. I take one and it has helped me. Also there has been information that people with SAD do not get enough vitamin D. Reports from people that it has helped them is antidotal but you might do a Google search on SAD and vitamin D and see if maybe you might benefit from getting more vitamin D. I know from experience that it is hard to get exercise in when you are depressed but I also know that it helps with the depression.


Judy S.

Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after another. ~Walter Elliott

 

SW: 253.4/CW: 160/WWGW: 148/PGW: ?

 

The President's Exercise Challenge:

 

Going for the Bronze-achieved 7/4/2009

20,000 pts.-100%

 

 

Going for the Silver-21220 of 45,000 pts.-47%

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Lynn - The lack of motivation isn't translating into specific behaviors (yet). I am still doing the things I need to do (prepping fruit and veggies, cooking dinner, etc.), but feeling a lot less happy about doing it. Part of how I feel this time of year is that I feel like a failure at everything. Rationally, I know this is just the SAD talking, but emotionally, it is a much harder battle. It's so weird how long the distance can be between head knowledge and heart knowledge, but as my therapist likes to say, emotions aren't supposed to be rational (the heart has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing). I'm working through it, but it's really slogging through instead of happily tripping along.

 

The night I had pudding, I was up until 2AM with my sister working on her school work and the pudding was the only Core thing prepared in the house. I figured it was better than Cheetos, and would contribute a milk serving or two. I'm not a middle-of-the-night binger...just a middle-of-the-night eater if I happen to be up in the middle of the night and hungry. :bcb_grin As for the rice/pasta/corn meal, yeah, well, no excuse. I will point out though that I was hungry and I did stop when satisfied.

 

 

Lori, sorry if this is too personal or none of my business, but I am wondering if your therapist uses a cognitive therapy approach at all? I know there are a lot of therapists who say they are "cognitive" but aren't necessarily. Just something I'd consider if I were you. I appreciate that there is a biological basis to SAD, but our minds are very useful (or can be very UNhelpful) and really focusing on our thinking is something that I think is extremely beneficial, therpeutically. You could always google cognitive therapy and SAD if you are interested. Have you read Judith Beck's book The Beck Diet Solution? Judith Beck is the daughter of Aaron Beck, father of cognitive therapy. Anyway, another great source of cognitive therapy and directly related to weight loss.

 

As for the pasta/brown rice/potato rule, the point isn't whether or not you had an "excuse", it's a matter of counting points for a second episode of eating pasta/brown rice/potato. Nothing more nothing less...This isn't about feeling guilty, finding fault, etc. It's just about following the plan. So my only question would be, did you count points for it?

 

Regarding SAD and carbs, have you ever read "Potatoes not Prozac"? It's all about seratonin (neurotransmitter) and depression/overeating etc. Using natural means to raise your seratonin levels (simply stated, eating a complex carb at night before bed, a few hours after having had protein). You can apply the principles of the book to core and it might really help with the SAD.

 

I think a cognitive therapy approach to SAD would have you doing homework that would involve many of the things people have recommended here. Depression becomes circular and pushing yourself to do some of those positives (like exercise) can really create a healthier kind of cycle/circle. Just a thought.

 

As for choices amongst core foods, I think it is good to think about your choices and whether you are leaning on the more energy dense choices. If you look at the core food list vs. a lot of what we have come up with, there is a quite a lot of difference. We have CREATED more energy dense core foods that we LOVE, but alas they are often more energy dense. It is certainly something to consider...


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Judy – There are a couple of reasons why antidepressants are not for me. First of all, there is a history of bipolar disorder in my family. If I take an SSRI (and I have tried), I become manic in approximately a week. It does not stop until I quit the antidepressants. Secondly, I am trying to conceive and have been for a long time. While SSRIs are not known teratogens, I have a history of miscarriage, and to avoid guilt over future potential pregnancy loss, my therapist and my physician agree that SSRI use is potentially harmful in this situation (to my mental health). I had not thought of increasing my vitamin D intake. However, that might be something worth pursuing. And yes, exercise absolutely will help with the depression…the only hurdle is in overcoming the depression enough to exercise.

Lynn - My therapist is indeed a cognitive behavioral therapist. Much of my "homework" involves changing thought patterns, particularly eliminating rumination, positivity journaling, and harnessing the power of my mind to overcome, well, my mind.

But another part involves the massive guilt I heap on myself for anything and everything once the sun stops coming out to play. An important part of my therapy has been making an effort to free myself from feeling guilty for my feelings. For instance, I will notice that I feel that people don’t like me, even when they have done nothing to make me feel that way. I will realize that this does not make sense, that it is irrational, and then I will proceed to feel guilty for feeling that way (thus making me more depressed). It has the same sort of circular downward spiral that classic depressive rumination has. The way that CBT has allowed me to change this cycle is that when I get to the guilt part of the equation, I stop and give myself permission to just feel my feelings and move on, rather than guilt-tripping myself for them. So it isn’t that we’re not working on the sad feelings, but more that in order to get past my guilt feelings, I have to allow myself to feel the sad feelings without judging myself for feeling them. This all sounds so much stranger written out on paper.

About the pasta/rice/potato thing, I didn’t know that if they were eaten at the same meal, I should count one of them, so no, I didn’t count them. My week/WPA turned over since then, but since I had a little wiggle room left in my WPA at the end of the week, it is essentially as though I had counted them. If I do this again (it’s not exactly a common occurrence…this is the first time I’ve done it since I started, and it was only because I ran out of pasta), I will definitely count it.

I have not read the book you mentioned (Potatoes not Prozac), but I’m familiar with the effects of complex carbohydrates on 5-HT/serotonin. That’s why I’ve been a bit merciful with myself of late with regard to my carb cravings. As a person with a degree in psychology, I guess I am in a pretty good position to know how to manage my depression, but it is kind of a case of physician, heal thyself. It’s much tougher when you’re the patient because you know all the facts and figures and rational stuff and the physiological basis of why you’re depressed, but still can’t change how you feel. Granted, I can still change (to some extent) how I think, and I am working on that. But how I feel, well, I can’t expect my emotions to be governed by reason, and I became much freer from my guilt when I embraced that.

As for BDS, that is something I will do when I have a bit more time/energy to devote to it...because I think it has a lot of potential. Just not right now.

My therapist does push exercise, and rationally I agree with him, but when it’s time for the rubber to meet the road, I just can’t summon the energy a lot of the time. I am working on that, but it's just a case of mind over matter. :)


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My therapist does push exercise, and rationally I agree with him, but when it’s time for the rubber to meet the road, I just can’t summon the energy a lot of the time. I am working on that, but it's just a case of mind over matter. :)

 

Actually, I think it's good to remove your mind from a situation like exercise.:bcb_up

 

I like what Dr. P says:

 

"You don't have to want to do it; you just have to do it." :salut

 

He thinks it should be set it up like, "If I don't brush my teeth, I have to wear my PJs to school."

 

"If I don't exercise, I have to -------(fill in the blank with something drastic that you will follow through on)."

 

I think that's a great idea! :bcb_smile But, alternatively :bcb_wink3, if you could get yourself to do THAT, you could probably get yourself to exercise! :bcb_grin

 

How would you go about getting the most challenging person in the universe to exercise consistently?

 

Because, really, that's what you're doing.:salut


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Today I was to tired to exercise. It just wasn't in me to do it.

 

But I did it anyway. Got a shower, made myself look pretty and NOW I have energy for the rest of the day. Yeah!

 

(Disclaimer: When I first started adding exercise into my day, it exhausted me, but most of the time it does not anymore. Usually it gives me energy and I need all I can get.:bcb_up)


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Actually, I think it's good to remove your mind from a situation like exercise.

 

I like what Dr. P says:

 

"You don't have to want to do it; you just have to do it."

 

He thinks it should be set it up like, "If I don't brush my teeth, I have to wear my PJs to school."

 

"If I don't exercise, I have to -------(fill in the blank with something drastic that you will follow through on)."

 

I think that's a great idea! But, alternatively , if you could get yourself to do THAT, you could probably get yourself to exercise!

 

How would you go about getting the most challenging person in the universe to exercise consistently?

 

Because, really, that's what you're doing.:salut

 

I couldn't agree with you more Carol!! And, hey I know you mean Dr. PHIL, but I'm "Dr. P" too:bcb_grin!!!

 

Lori, Potatoes not Prozac is more complicated than simply eating carbs, and I'm not sure what you mean by "being merciful", good complex carbs are part of the core plan, no need for mercy. And I certainly wouldn't recommend using processed simple carbs as a way to raise serotonin...it would only raise the "sugar monster" in me!

 

I was pondering all this tonight...I'm such a cognitive psychologist..however, IF your thoughts are REALLY giving you trouble there is no harm and LOTS to be gained by "just" changing your BEHAVIOR, like Carol (and the OTHER Dr. P:bcb_wink3) say! You don't have to WANT to do it. You can have whatever wacky internal dialogue going on in your head that you want, but you do NOT have to listen to it! Now, it would be NICE to eventually get the "thinkin'" matching with your "doin'", but it doesn't HAVE to...yes, we do plenty of things we don't want to do. And once you get DOING, you actually do FEEL better, and it gets EASIER to keep on doin' it!!! I know there is a biological basis to a lot of mental health problems, but I really do we can choose to not be slaves to our biology and part of that is doing things when we don't feel like doing them.

 

I hope this isn't sounding all preachy and unempathic. Frankly, I am not the hand holding therapist type...not that I needed to tell anyone that:bcb_wink3! I guess that's why the "bootcamp" philosophy makes sense to me...because it is by holding each other to high standards NO MATTER what that we REALLY help each other around here!!


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Lynn - The bootcamp philosophy makes sense to me too, and I don't feel like you're being preachy...just trying to help. I'm a little confused, though. Are you a mental health professional? I didn't know that.

 

I recognize that there are a lot of potential benefits to changing my behavior even if I can't change how I feel. But it isn't an unwillingness to exercise, I don't think. Not really. It is feeling so tired that I feel like I physically can't, not a lack of motivation necessarily. I can push through being unmotivated, but being physically tired and still doing what needs to be done is a lot harder. Like I said, I am working on it.

 

As far as the being merciful thing, I just meant that I'm recognizing that while I would normally choose something less carb-ish than corn, it's okay to choose corn, as far as making distinctions between Core foods goes. There is not much simple sugar in my diet right now AT ALL; just my morning coffee and the occasional ww fudge bar, along with any that comes naturally from fruit and milk. So Idk, I am 100% faithfully POP and have been from the start...it's just the exercise thing that needs work. And I am working on it.


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Lynn - Are you a mental health professional? I didn't know that.

 

 

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Hi Lori. Just curious to know if you've had any blood work lately. You seem to be abnormally exhausted and I agree that exercise will help but could it be that you're anemic. Do you take a good multi-vitamin with plenty of iron?

 

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Lori, we're not trying to make you feel badly about not exercising, but I have to say that moving more is about "moving more", nothing extreme. Is there any activity involved in your job? If you are so exhausted that you cannot move all day long then I would be very concerned that you either have a medical problem or depression that is more like MAJOR depression, not SAD. Moving more could mean parking farther away or taking an extra little walk around the office on your way to the restroom. That's all. If you can't physically do that, well then I'd be very concerned!!! Read your week two materials. It truly is about just taking the next small step. Like earning an AP or two if you are currently earning NONE...

 

I guess I'm less concerned about the fact that you aren't doing that, than about the fact that you are saying it's physically impossible to do that!


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Warning, this is probably going to not sound very nice, but I assure you I mean it with love and support and in the true spirit of bootcamp... (Wasn’t sure I should even post this, I don’t want to sound too harsh, but on the other hand I want you to know you’re not alone in this.)

So many of us here on the boards have suffered from depression – I would hazard to say that most of us are overweight because we deal with some pretty monumental self-worth issues and a lot of denial issues. This is not particularly unique (not to make you feel bad) and it certainly isn’t an excuse.

First of all, I think you’re probably dealing with two issues. Depression and wanting to lose weight as a way to solve the sad feelings you have about yourself.

It’s easy when we’re depressed to have an answer for everything. We would, if we could, but we can’t, so we won’t.

You have to let go of that. I know it’s hard, but it is the absolute truth that when it comes to things like exercise there is absolutely no excuse for not being able to walk on a treadmill for twenty minutes, or walk to the store, or walk anywhere for a little while each day. Get down on the floor before bed or when you first wake up and do some stomach crunches. Getting into a healthy routine will be good for your body but great for your mind.

If you are at the point in your life where you really want this, where taking care of your body is really important to you, then you will make it happen, come heck or high water.

There was a great post a while back from a lifetimer. She said the reason she lost the weight was because she really wanted it, bad enough to make it happen.

So you need to turn on your sunlight every day, come heck or high water. You need to get in some form of exercise every day. You need to not let the scale be your guide (it’s often lying to you anyway), and you need to insist that this is what you’re going to do no matter what every day for the rest of your life. Depression does not own your body, you own your body.

The only thing you should be posting in reply to all the good advice your getting on this board is “great, I’ll get started on that right away” and leave it at that. No more paragraphs explaining reasons. As my favorite saying goes “Today you’re out of excuses”. Even if you’re doing everything right; if it isn’t working then you have to change it up a bit. You have to keep moving forward.

I’ve been where you are. I’ve been that sad. I’ve been that tired. I’ve been at the end of my rope. I’m often at the end of my rope. I’m with you and we’re all here for you.

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Amanda, amen sister!!!

 

Thanks for saying much more plainly what I was meaning to say and/or didn't have the guts to say!

 

So true, and the most loving thing we can do for a buddy!!!:salut


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